Matthew,
So is this concept of process subsume the idea of identity? That is, is
everything that continues over time a "process" or can there be "things"
with identity that are not process? Does a process have identity?
-Cory (01)
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> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of West, Matthew R SIPC-DFD/321
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 5:05 AM
> To: ONTAC Taxonomy-Ontology Development Discussion
> Subject: RE: [ontac-dev] Representation of attributes
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> Dear Chuck and Barry,
>
> See below
>
>
> Regards
>
> Matthew West
> Reference Data Architecture and Standards Manager
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> > At 10:45 AM 2/1/2006, you wrote:
> > >It seemed obvious to me, however a few weeks ago someone
> > disagreed, and
> > >stated that processes cannot change.
> >
> > This is right. Processes cannot change. Because processes ARE changes.
>
> MW: Hmm. Now I would say processes bring about change, rather than that
> they are the change. We have something we call event that is the temporal
> boundary of a new state. That is what marks the change, but the event is
> caused by what we call an activity (where an activity may cause and be
> composed of any number of events).
> >
> >
> > > If they have different sub processes,
> > >each with a different set of identifiable attributes (contributing to
> > >differences in the process), does this not mean that the
> > process can (and
> > >does) change over it's duration?
> >
> > Matthew changes as he grows older.
>
> MW: Indeed.
>
> > First he is a child. This means that he is a participant in that part
> > of his life (subprocess) called his childhood.
>
> MW: More 3D speak. Me as a child and my childhood are the same thing.
> My growing processes act on myself. Me as a child/my childhood are
> part of me/my life.
>
> > Then he (the same he) is an adult. This means that he is a
> > participant in that part of his life (subprocess) called his adult.
>
> MW: Then me as an adult is another part of me/my life (the same me/
> my life).
>
> > The whole process which is his life has (at least) these two parts.
>
> MW: As I do (as a physical object).
> >
> > BS
> >
> >
> > >Chuck
> > >
> > >
> > >ontac-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 02/01/2006 10:23:57 AM:
> > >
> > > > At 10:15 AM 2/1/2006, you wrote:
> > > > >If we are in agreement that a process ("Matthew living
> > his life") has an
> > > > >object ("Matthew") that is modified to reach different
> > states through
> > >that
> > > > >process - can not the process itself have different
> > sub-processes (I
> > > > >believe the agreed to answer here is yes), and are those
> > sub-processes
> > > > >distinguishable from each other through the exhibition
> > of different
> > > > >attributes? This question was being discussed about a
> > week or two back,
> > > > >before the group got preoccupied with defining a type.
> > > >
> > > > Yes of course.
> > > > Matthew's childhood is a subprocess of Matthew's life, in which
> > > > Matthew is involved throughout.
> > > > Matthew's childhood has different attributes from Matthew's
> > > > adulthood. For example his childhood began earlier.
> > > > BS
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >Chuck
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >MW: If the pictures were of the same object, then
> > they would all
> > >look
> > > > > > >the same, but they do not. This is because they are
> > pictures of
> > >states
> > > > > > >of me at different times in my life. The states are
> > different, and
> > >this
> > > > > > >is why the pictures are different, but the states
> > are all states of
> > >my
> > > > > > >life, which is why they are all pictures of me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Aha: "pictures of states of me at different times in my life"
> > > > > > So Matthew HAS a life. And he (Matthew) is
> > experiencing different
> > > > > > states at different times in this life.
> > > > > > Very good.
> > > > > > BS
> > > > >
> > > > >
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