Dear Chuck and Barry, (01)
See below (02)
Regards (03)
Matthew West
Reference Data Architecture and Standards Manager
Shell International Petroleum Company Limited
Shell Centre, London SE1 7NA, United Kingdom (04)
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http://www.matthew-west.org.uk/ (05)
> At 10:45 AM 2/1/2006, you wrote:
> >It seemed obvious to me, however a few weeks ago someone
> disagreed, and
> >stated that processes cannot change.
>
> This is right. Processes cannot change. Because processes ARE changes. (06)
MW: Hmm. Now I would say processes bring about change, rather than that
they are the change. We have something we call event that is the temporal
boundary of a new state. That is what marks the change, but the event is
caused by what we call an activity (where an activity may cause and be
composed of any number of events).
>
>
> > If they have different sub processes,
> >each with a different set of identifiable attributes (contributing to
> >differences in the process), does this not mean that the
> process can (and
> >does) change over it's duration?
>
> Matthew changes as he grows older. (07)
MW: Indeed. (08)
> First he is a child. This means that he is a participant in that part
> of his life (subprocess) called his childhood. (09)
MW: More 3D speak. Me as a child and my childhood are the same thing.
My growing processes act on myself. Me as a child/my childhood are
part of me/my life. (010)
> Then he (the same he) is an adult. This means that he is a
> participant in that part of his life (subprocess) called his adult. (011)
MW: Then me as an adult is another part of me/my life (the same me/
my life). (012)
> The whole process which is his life has (at least) these two parts. (013)
MW: As I do (as a physical object).
>
> BS
>
>
> >Chuck
> >
> >
> >ontac-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 02/01/2006 10:23:57 AM:
> >
> > > At 10:15 AM 2/1/2006, you wrote:
> > > >If we are in agreement that a process ("Matthew living
> his life") has an
> > > >object ("Matthew") that is modified to reach different
> states through
> >that
> > > >process - can not the process itself have different
> sub-processes (I
> > > >believe the agreed to answer here is yes), and are those
> sub-processes
> > > >distinguishable from each other through the exhibition
> of different
> > > >attributes? This question was being discussed about a
> week or two back,
> > > >before the group got preoccupied with defining a type.
> > >
> > > Yes of course.
> > > Matthew's childhood is a subprocess of Matthew's life, in which
> > > Matthew is involved throughout.
> > > Matthew's childhood has different attributes from Matthew's
> > > adulthood. For example his childhood began earlier.
> > > BS
> > >
> > >
> > > >Chuck
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >MW: If the pictures were of the same object, then
> they would all
> >look
> > > > > >the same, but they do not. This is because they are
> pictures of
> >states
> > > > > >of me at different times in my life. The states are
> different, and
> >this
> > > > > >is why the pictures are different, but the states
> are all states of
> >my
> > > > > >life, which is why they are all pictures of me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Aha: "pictures of states of me at different times in my life"
> > > > > So Matthew HAS a life. And he (Matthew) is
> experiencing different
> > > > > states at different times in this life.
> > > > > Very good.
> > > > > BS
> > > >
> > > >
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