Thanks, Joe. However, I'd probably screw that up too and not pronounce
it correctly! :) (01)
btw, I did send Rebekah a sheepish apology off-list. I should've known
how your systems were set up from seeing your posts before, but at the
time, I only looked at the "From" line in the message. I'm surprised
you folks don't change it in your mail clients, but then sometimes
nothing surprises me about corporate IT anymore... (02)
<piss-take-techie-joke>
Then again, you could always use XML
</piss-take-techie-joke> (03)
ast (04)
On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 00:36, Chiusano Joseph wrote:
> But you can call me Chiusano anytime ;)
>
> Joe
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: soa-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:soa-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Metz Rebekah
> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 5:43 PM
> To: Service-Oriented Architecture CoP
> Subject: RE: [soa-forum] Business Need for SOA (Was SOA Semantic
> Variation )
>
> Hi Andrew -
>
> FYI:
> My first name is Rebekah, my last name is Metz. Our corporate email
> standard is <last name>_<first name>. With an uncommon spelling of my
> first name, I've thrown a few people for a guess.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: soa-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:soa-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andrew S. Townley
> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 2:24 PM
> To: Service-Oriented Architecture CoP
> Subject: RE: [soa-forum] Business Need for SOA (Was SOA Semantic
> Variation )
>
>
> Hi Metz,
>
> I just wanted to address one of your points, because I believe that this
> clarification is crucial to understanding where I'm coming from with
> this line of thinking.
>
> On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 19:20, Metz Rebekah wrote:
> > One of the largest benefits of autonomy is the ability to work
> >
> > co-operatively to accomplish a larger goal. However, this "directed"
> > or
> >
> > "cooperative autonomy" is only effective if everyone fully understands
> >
> > what they are supposed to do and have the ability to do it.
> >
> > [->] I agree with your assertion of directed vs. cooperative autonomy.
>
> > I believe there is a continuum between these two extremes.
> > I would liken the first to the hierarchical structure of the military
> > and the second to a think tank or research institution. What we see
> > though is that there are a range of organizational (community)
> > structures that work in between these extremes. My sense is that
> > within those various organizational structures; not everyone fully
> > understands what they are supposed to do, nor do they have the ability
>
> > to fully do it. Nevertheless, the overall organization can be
> > successful. Essentially, the community becomes self-healing.
>
> Actually, in this case I was lumping them together, not separating them.
> Although, I do agree that in practice there is some difference.
> However, in any hierarchical organization (that is at all successful),
> there is a certain amount of delegation to people at all levels. This
> delegation also provides the context and the reasoning necessary for
> action. The results of that action may be directed if they are
> delegated from someone who has a vision or goal in mind. They may also
> not provide all of the information available. Perhaps my use of "fully"
> in this case was misleading. What I actually meant was that they have
> enough information to perform the task to which they have been assigned,
> but the successful completion of that task will further the goals of the
> organization or individual who originally assigned it.
> [->] OK. I think we agree.
>
> In my mind, the only difference between "directed autonomy" vs
> "collective autonomy" is what you alluded to in your reply--dependent
> vs. independent action. However, the net results are the same because
> the successful results of either directed or collective action
> (hopefully) provides benefits to the community.
>
> [->] Rebekah
>
> ast
>
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