The worst part is, now that I looked again, I actually *did* read it,
but then I scrolled back to the middle while I was writing the reply. (01)
I can offer no reasonable excuse. :) (02)
On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 13:08, Metz Rebekah wrote:
> Wasn't sure you scrolled down to the embedded reply to your
> email....Once I read your next statement:
> > > [->] I agree with your assertion of directed vs. cooperative
> autonomy.
>
> Rebekah
>
> Rebekah Metz
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> Booz Allen Hamilton
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: soa-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:soa-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andrew S. Townley
> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 2:48 AM
> To: Service-Oriented Architecture CoP
> Subject: RE: [soa-forum] Business Need for SOA (Was SOA Semantic
> Variation )
>
>
> Thanks, Joe. However, I'd probably screw that up too and not pronounce
> it correctly! :)
>
> btw, I did send Rebekah a sheepish apology off-list. I should've known
> how your systems were set up from seeing your posts before, but at the
> time, I only looked at the "From" line in the message. I'm surprised
> you folks don't change it in your mail clients, but then sometimes
> nothing surprises me about corporate IT anymore...
>
> <piss-take-techie-joke>
> Then again, you could always use XML
> </piss-take-techie-joke>
>
> ast
>
> On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 00:36, Chiusano Joseph wrote:
> > But you can call me Chiusano anytime ;)
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > Joseph Chiusano
> > Associate
> > Booz Allen Hamilton
> >
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: soa-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:soa-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Metz Rebekah
> > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 5:43 PM
> > To: Service-Oriented Architecture CoP
> > Subject: RE: [soa-forum] Business Need for SOA (Was SOA Semantic
> > Variation )
> >
> > Hi Andrew -
> >
> > FYI:
> > My first name is Rebekah, my last name is Metz. Our corporate email
> > standard is <last name>_<first name>. With an uncommon spelling of my
> > first name, I've thrown a few people for a guess.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: soa-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:soa-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andrew S.
> Townley
> > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 2:24 PM
> > To: Service-Oriented Architecture CoP
> > Subject: RE: [soa-forum] Business Need for SOA (Was SOA Semantic
> > Variation )
> >
> >
> > Hi Metz,
> >
> > I just wanted to address one of your points, because I believe that
> this
> > clarification is crucial to understanding where I'm coming from with
> > this line of thinking.
> >
> > On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 19:20, Metz Rebekah wrote:
> > > One of the largest benefits of autonomy is the ability to work
> > >
> > > co-operatively to accomplish a larger goal. However, this
> "directed"
> > > or
> > >
> > > "cooperative autonomy" is only effective if everyone fully
> understands
> > >
> > > what they are supposed to do and have the ability to do it.
> > >
> > > [->] I agree with your assertion of directed vs. cooperative
> autonomy.
> >
> > > I believe there is a continuum between these two extremes.
> > > I would liken the first to the hierarchical structure of the
> military
> > > and the second to a think tank or research institution. What we see
>
> > > though is that there are a range of organizational (community)
> > > structures that work in between these extremes. My sense is that
> > > within those various organizational structures; not everyone fully
> > > understands what they are supposed to do, nor do they have the
> ability
> >
> > > to fully do it. Nevertheless, the overall organization can be
> > > successful. Essentially, the community becomes self-healing.
> >
> > Actually, in this case I was lumping them together, not separating
> them.
> > Although, I do agree that in practice there is some difference.
> > However, in any hierarchical organization (that is at all successful),
> > there is a certain amount of delegation to people at all levels. This
> > delegation also provides the context and the reasoning necessary for
> > action. The results of that action may be directed if they are
> > delegated from someone who has a vision or goal in mind. They may
> also
> > not provide all of the information available. Perhaps my use of
> "fully"
> > in this case was misleading. What I actually meant was that they have
> > enough information to perform the task to which they have been
> assigned,
> > but the successful completion of that task will further the goals of
> the
> > organization or individual who originally assigned it.
> > [->] OK. I think we agree.
> >
> > In my mind, the only difference between "directed autonomy" vs
> > "collective autonomy" is what you alluded to in your reply--dependent
> > vs. independent action. However, the net results are the same because
> > the successful results of either directed or collective action
> > (hopefully) provides benefits to the community.
> >
> > [->] Rebekah
> >
> > ast
> >
> > --
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