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RE: Categorization (was RE: [ontac-dev] Representation of attributes)

To: "ONTAC Taxonomy-Ontology Development Discussion" <ontac-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: "West, Matthew R SIPC-DFD/321" <matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:54:03 -0000
Message-id: <A94B3B171A49A4448F0CEEB458AA661F02CE5698@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Dear Barry,    (01)

Sorry, but that is still about what can be a member/instance of one
or the other, not what membership itself is. So I'll assume that there 
is no difference.    (02)

Regards    (03)

Matthew    (04)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ontac-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ontac-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Smith, Barry
> Sent: 07 February 2006 00:59
> To: ONTAC Taxonomy-Ontology Development Discussion
> Subject: RE: Categorization (was RE: [ontac-dev] Representation of
> attributes)
> 
> 
> 
> You can include items on a list. Any items you like. The 
> set-membership relation is like the relation between an item on a 
> list and the list.
> 
> To stand in the instance relation to a type, in contrast, you need to 
> be of that type and that means that you have to be a certain way: you 
> have to have the right sort of DNA, or be created on the basis of the 
> right sort of plan using the right sort of machine, and so forth.
> 
> BS
> 
> At 04:33 AM 2/6/2006, you wrote:
> >Dear Barry,
> >
> >This does not answer my question, which is not about the difference
> >between a set and a type, but between the difference in nature of the
> >membership/instance of relationship.
> >
> >So please what is different in the nature of these relationships (not
> >thing things they bring things into relationship too)?
> >
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Matthew West
> >Reference Data Architecture and Standards Manager
> >Shell International Petroleum Company Limited
> >Shell Centre, London SE1 7NA, United Kingdom
> >
> >Tel: +44 20 7934 4490 Mobile: +44 7796 336538
> >Email: matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx
> >http://www.shell.com
> >http://www.matthew-west.org.uk/
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ontac-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:ontac-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Smith, Barry
> > > Sent: 04 February 2006 13:41
> > > To: ONTAC Taxonomy-Ontology Development Discussion
> > > Subject: RE: Categorization (was RE: [ontac-dev] Representation of
> > > attributes)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >MW: Noone has yet been able to explain the difference (or
> > > even offer an
> > > >explanation) though more than one has asserted a difference.
> > > I am simply
> > > >seeking enlightenment.
> > >
> > > Sets are mathematical objects; the set-membership relation is an
> > > abstract relation, which obtains independently of time and change.
> > > Sets can be defined arbitrarily, as in the {the moon, 
> Matthew West,
> > > redness, 27} case. Sets are subject to arbitrary iterations,
> > > combinations and intersections, ad nauseam, as in the
> > >
> > > {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Matthew West}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
> > >
> > > case. Which sets exist is a matter of mathematics and of
> > > arbitrary definition.
> > >
> > > Types are entities (something like invariant patterns, 
> commonalities,
> > > kinds) in reality. Which types exist changes from epoch to epoch
> > > (Darwin tells us) and even from year to year (as new varities of
> > > potato chip are invented). Which types exist is a matter of
> > > observation and scientific exeriment. Types are not subject to
> > > arbitrary iterations, combinations and intersections. There is no
> > > type 'rabbit or steering wheel'.
> > >
> > > BS
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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