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Re: Categorization (was RE: [ontac-dev] Representation of attributes)

To: Chris Menzel <cmenzel@xxxxxxxx>, ONTAC Taxonomy-Ontology Development Discussion <ontac-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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From: "Smith, Barry" <phismith@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 21:06:33 -0500
Message-id: <phismith$134.96.94.40$.7.0.1.0.2.20060209210310.04b01870@xxxxxxxxxxx>
At 06:58 PM 2/8/2006, you wrote:
On Sat, Feb 04, 2006 at 08:40:31AM -0500, Barry Smith wrote:
>
> >MW: Noone has yet been able to explain the difference (or even offer an
> >explanation) though more than one has asserted a difference. I am simply
> >seeking enlightenment.
>
> Sets are mathematical objects; the set-membership relation is an
> abstract relation, which obtains independently of time and change.

I certainly agree with you on the difference between sets and types, but
this latter claim is far from obvious, for 3Ders anyway.  There is a
pretty strong intuition that the membership relation that holds between
you and the set {Clinton, Smith} did not hold at, say, the moment of the
Big Bang -- unless you think that nonexistent objects can bear relations
to other nonexistent objects!

sets exist timelessly
do you agree with that?

> Types are not subject to arbitrary iterations, combinations and
> intersections. There is no type 'rabbit or steering wheel'.

Nonsense!  I just saw one in my yard and am about to grasp yet another
one as I drive up to meet my wife for dinner! :-)


you happened to see two things at different times
I assert that there is no single type (like that one) which they both instantiate
which science would study types like that?

BS

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