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Re: [soa-demo] Ourcome metics on the SOA demos

To: "'[planning for soa-demo]'" <soa-demo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: 'Thomas Erl' <terl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "'David RR Webber (XML)'" <david@xxxxxxxxx>, "'Niemann. Brand'" <Niemann.Brand@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: "Cory Casanave" <cbc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:04:56 -0400
Message-id: <002701c6df3a$cb9b5610$8dc2c246@CoryCT42>


Based on the consensus reached the demo we are focusing on is a line-of-business integration between HR, Finance and program management to track human resources costs for projects.  The consensus is to get this basic functionality up and running.  Once done there are various additional capabilities and scenarios that could be put against it – for example one where an LOB service center is wiped out or one where project resources had to be reallocated due to an emergency.  Other examples could be bringing a new service on line that utilizes the existing ones (perhaps an emergent or dynamically defined service) – the options are endless.  From the perspective on enabling the  federal transition framework the current direction shows a lot of value – the integration of loosely coupled organizations to achieve shared business services.  The way to actually do a LOB architecture is still up in the air, so we think it is a very viable starting point to showcase SOA. 


As far as I know there is no further development being done on Rex’s emergency response demo – but perhaps you should contact that group to find out.



From: soa-demo-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:soa-demo-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul S Prueitt
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 1:00 PM
To: [planning for soa-demo]
Cc: Thomas Erl; David RR Webber (XML); Niemann. Brand
Subject: Re: [soa-demo] Ourcome metics on the SOA demos


Is there a wiki page for the Emergency Response Demo, particularily a page or number of pages that gives the kind of detail that one would expect eventually would be developed?


In particular, there may be a detailed scenario description and the list of all services, with standard formate for convaying specificdata objects between processes. 


There may be a published standard for core data objects, a registry and repository of service definitions, as well as demonstration of service discovery and the orchestration of service responses.


I have to admit that I have not followed the demo development for months.  The demo discussions and processes started (May, 2006?)


What I was interested in was how service discovery would be developed.   If, in an emergency, required services are not available from a standard set of data objects and interfaces, how would a required service (one that was not in the standard core but absolutely necessary in the emergery response) be identified/measured.


The OASIS BCM (business centric methdology) and SOA Blueprints specifications have a process model for the aggregation of new service defintion in real time.  Was this process model used in the Emergency Response demo, and if not how are the issue of novelty addressed?


I approach the modeling of event space using the notion of natural category.  As recently suggested, there are two types of natural category, natural category that is stable and natural category that emerges as part of natural processes. 


Services may be defined as transactions in a natural category space, where the transactions have charaterisitic event chains.   Web-services and "natural services" then are reflections of each other; sometimes these reflections have high fidality and sometimes they do not. 


Does any of the demos specifically address the issue of fidality, or of outcome metrics on the usefulness of a service specification?






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From: soa-demo-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:soa-demo-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Cory Casanave
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 7:19 AM
To: soa-demo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [soa-demo] Writing the SOA demo spec

SOA Demo Team,

I have started writing into the SOA demo spec located here:


Please take a look at it and consider contributing along the lines we have discussed.  We should be able to develop a good deal of the specification on the Wiki – all you need do is register for the wiki and make updates.  If there are open questions or controversial parts please discuss it on the mail list prior to changing the spec.


We also need to start work on the technical considerations – registry and web service details.  Lets try and get “hello world” running very soon.



Cory Casanave


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