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[soa-forum] BCM (business centric methodology) and the demo

To: "'Service-Oriented Architecture CoP'" <soa-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: "Paul Prueitt (ontologystream)" <psp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:01:56 -0800
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Long term , the proper vision is to make an standards adoption that offers forward thinking transformation of the IT capability to respond to GENERIC and DYNAMIC human to human transaction spaces. 

 

I feel that human markup language standard (OASIS) on which Rex has been working for many years should become essential to SOA implementations before the year is out (prediction).

 

Farrukh,  I am personally appreciative of the note that you have sent below,   I agree completely, UDDI might be simpler when used by itself in specific transactions spaces?   If so, then an interoperability wrapper (designed as Joe is suggesting) seems to be straight forward.  But true natural SOA has a long way to go in terms of re-use, agility, composition and usability, and for this – at least one would like to know if ebXML is completely sufficient. 

 

The demo might test this “hypothesis”?  But how?

 

Your work, and other’s work, on the dual notions of registry and repository provides an authority over such a hypothesis. 

See for example the wiki at

 

http://ebxmlrr.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Overview

 

 

 

My sense is that methodology is needed that identifies a small set of data definitions and process models – in a specific historical and transaction context.   This should be contract driven, so that human’s can simplify the details. 

 

In my opinion, OASIS BCM moves us (me) in that direction… and here is where SOA functions (that are non-IT centric) might be demonstrated.

 

I have studied the BCM spec, and am interested in developing a demonstration of how SOA and BCM might work together to reflect the concerns of my last message..

 

 

 

 

 


From: soa-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:soa-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Farrukh Najmi
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 7:06 AM
To: Service-Oriented Architecture CoP
Subject: Re: [soa-forum] The purpose of a SOA demo

 

Paul Prueitt (ontologystream) wrote:

Joe,

 

Excellent article at

 

http://www.ebxmlforum.net/articles/ebFor_20030824.html

 

It would seem that you, Cory, Andrew, Farrukh and Rex have positions (regarding registry and repository) that are very close and saying (for various good reasons) that ebXML should interoperate with UDDI because it can and because of the previous market adoption of UDDI.   You are also saying (I conjecture) that there is no other “registry/data definition” standard that needs to be considered? 

....

 

 

Is this fair and proper to say?   Do all concur?


Hi Paul,

I suspect that what I am about to say is not all that critical to our demo but...

I wanted to offer a clarification on my position on interop between UDDI and ebXML Registry since it is not quite what is in this paper:

http://www.ebxmlforum.net/articles/ebFor_20030824.html

First interop of any kind is a "good thing (TM)". That said, I feel that organizations SHOULD NOT deploy both a UDDI and an ebXML Registry if they can help it. Instead they should deploy a single registry that:

a) Only supports ebXML Registry standard, or

b) Support ebXML Registry standard at its core and offers a UDDI interface as an option to the native ebXML Registry

The reason is that managing two registries and two registry standards, is architecturally messy, costly and more importantly, unnecessary.

The one reason I can think of for an organization to have 2 kinds of registries is that they have a legacy UDDI registry that is in production use but is not enough to meet their requirements and they are therefor transitioning to an ebXML Registry and need to have both for an interim period until the legacy UDDI registry can be retired.

In summary, I understand the need for two kinds of registries and limited interop between them for legacy reasons. I do not advice that as an architecture that is consciously planned and designed. Also, for the record I want to predict that heterogeneous federation of UDDI and ebXML Registry's is never likely to happen, as described in the paper.

So respectfully, and for the record, I must say that while Joe and I have many years of fruitful collaboration on many fronts, much of the "UDDI and ebXML Registries: Three-Tier Vision" is not a vision that I have *ever* shared. Joe and I have remained good friends and colleagues despite the difference of opinion over this paper.

Thanks.

-- 
Regards,
Farrukh
 
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