Pal,
We are just doing an SOA demo - HSPD-12 is an example, we are not here to
discuss its merits.
-Cory (01)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: soa-demo-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:soa-demo-
> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul S Prueitt
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 6:31 PM
> To: Jonathan Rich
> Cc: soa-demo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [soa-demo] Call for expertise & input to SOA_Demo scenario
>
>
>
> What measures are made to make the credentialing standards and processes
> inclusive of potential participants who might be otherwise excluded due to
>
> 1) continual changes in requirements for credentials
> 2) the degree of insider knowledge of how the "system works" to comply
> with
> credentialing standards
>
>
>
> As I have discussed before, in various forums; the continual changes in
> requirement seems to be now a behavior that persists and has been
> accommodated for by large incumbent vendors whose resources become
> dedicated
> to "participating" (but who may not be competent to deliver - as exampled
> by
> numbers cases).
>
> I have also discussed the "second school" position that non-removeable
> limitations in the application of logic, computer science and mathematics
> to
> modeling social processes creates an ability to forever game the
> credentialing standard - unless specific provisions are taken to address
> both the insider knowledge and the continual changes problem. I do not
> see
> any awareness of the problem in the CIO Council's behavior - rather I see
> a
> willing acceptance of additional steps to make our government a government
> of people by business processes.
>
>
> Why is this issue of gaming credentialing standards so critical to the
> future functioning of government?
>
> The insider knowledge of how the system works may consume so much resource
> that the provable issue of competency to develop needed services become
> secondary and even unachievable. So we the People never get what we pay
> for, which is reasonably competent government services. The incumbent
> business processes, however earn ever increasing profits.
>
>
>
> Does the Homeland Security Presidential Director 12 deal specifically with
> either of these clear system's theory exposable issues? One may read the
> documents and work product forever and never be able to see how or if this
> issue is addressed.
>
> Let us examine consequences....
>
> Let us suppose that a credentialing standard is being gamed, and is
> extended
> to NSF's award system, so that now only scientists who are well
> credentialed
> in the system that is being gamed are allowed to receive awards. What
> about
> a gamed credentialing standard for employment?
>
> How far are we from a voting system where credentialing is used to exclude
> certain races of citizens, or perhaps woman voters.
>
>
>
> Clearly B-2-B, G-2-G anyone to anyone transaction spaces need
> informational
> transparency, and informational transparency would certain be one way to
> avoid credentialing standards.
>
> That is the alternative that is avoided by this Administration.
> Information
> transparency is the alternative to credential standards.
>
>
> Remember, this President and this Administration will not be in power
> forever. These insider processes will be exposed for what they are, just
> one more way to reduce competition from outside the group of incumbents.
> When this time comes, we will see some new directives aimed a waste fraud
> and abuse, I conjecture.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Rich [mailto:ejhrich@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 12:43 PM
> To: Paul S Prueitt
> Cc: soa-demo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [soa-demo] Call for expertise & input to SOA_Demo scenario
>
>
> HSPD-12 = Homeland Security Presidental Directive 12 =
> The directive mandates a federal program to implement
> a Government-wide identity credentialing capability.
>
> If you want to learn more, you could look at
> http://www.cio.gov/ficc/. It has a link to the
> original directive and a variety of other information
> about the initiatve. If you want to see the component
> service specifications though, look at
> www.smart.gov/awg.
>
> --- Paul S Prueitt <psp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > please... what does HSPD stand for
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: soa-demo-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:soa-demo-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
> > Jonathan Rich
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 12:19 PM
> > To: soa-demo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [soa-demo] Call for expertise & input
> > to SOA_Demo scenario
> >
> >
> > Corey,
> > I have HSPD-12 expertise at the process-level. I
> > work
> > for George Thomas at GSA and we have done
> > process-level EDOC/ECA models of HSPD-12. We are
> > also
> > considering doing a version in BPMN if there were an
> > interest in that as a starting point.
> >
> > The HSPD-12 architecture working group (AWG) just
> > published specs for some of the HSPD-12 service
> > components for comment & review (see
> > www.smart.gov/awg). I can ask the AWG leader, Chris
> > Louden (chris.louden@xxxxxxxxxxx), if they are
> > interested in participating.
> >
> > Jonathan
> > -----------------------------------
> > Jonathan Rich
> > Sr. Enterprise Architect, IAA
> > Office of the CIO
> > General Services Administration
> > w) 202-501-0755
> > m) 202-536-8212
> > email) jonathan.rich@xxxxxxx
> >
> >
> > --- Cory Casanave <cbc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Yesterday we decided to focus the Line of Business
> > > scenario on HR, Finance &
> > > HSPD-12. Lets get started.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The first thing we have to do is get some handle
> > on
> > > reasonable business
> > > services within this framework that would
> > > interesting but not overly
> > > challenging - this implies some knowledge of the
> > > domain. We have background
> > > in the finance LOB, a little in HR and not much
> > > specific to HSPD-12.
> > > Perhaps we will all need to reach into our
> > > organizations and get a couple of
> > > people who can help us specify this scenario SOA.
> > > Please respond with any
> > > information that may be relevant or domain experts
> > > we could bring in for the
> > > design phase.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Cory Casanave
> > >
> > > SOA-Demo
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