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RE: [ontac-forum] Some thoughts on hub ontology and merging sources

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From: "West, Matthew R SIPC-DFD/321" <matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:55:12 -0000
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Dear Roy,
See comments below.


Matthew West
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From: ontac-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontac-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Roy Roebuck
Sent: 18 November 2005 17:04
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Subject: RE: [ontac-forum] Some thoughts on hub ontology and merging sources



I discovered, modeled, and informally published them in the early 1980’s, and personally have been using them since then.  I informally published them on the Internet in 1994, at http://one-world-is.com.  This is the source for what I’m asserting as the “General Ontology” - it is good enough (as a hub/core/general ontology) to provide a general-use knowledge-base (i.e., from an endeavor’s framework (as an ontology) yielding a model/architecture) and provide the foundation for role-based-security and virtual applications for the subjects modeled within it. 


MW: I think you will find many people here have done something similar, some even on a similar timescale. 


When looking at the range of Ontologist-orientations present in this forum, I see two main axes of divergence.  I call one the “Utility” axis, which ranges from “Philosophy” on one end to “Pragmatic” on the other.  The other I call the ‘Correctness” axis, which ranges from “Purist/Final/100% correctness” on one end to “Sufficient/Practical/Workable correctness” on the other.   


MW: I think you will find that these axes are aligned, so that the more philosophical are also higher on the correctness scale. This is because (my experience at least is) that the more correct you try to be the more philosphical you have to get to achieve that. Again my personal experience and journey has been that the more capability you wish to deliver, the more "correct" you need to be.


The General Ontology I’m offering may not be philosophically pure, but it is practically sufficient.   


MW: I don't doubt that it is, but the question is for what? The more it is to be interpreted by people rather than machines, the more pragmatic/less "correct" you can afford to be. People fill in the gaps and think for themselves. The more you are expecting machines to interpret the ontology the more "correct" it needs to be because machines are awefully dumb. But I'm sure you know that.


 I would submit that ONTAC is chartered to produce Pragmatic and Sufficient ontology/semantic/taxonomy solutions for SICoP and FEA/CIOC/AIC, and not get bogged down into the Analysis-Paralysis of ontology Philosophy and Purity. 


MW: I ask again - for what? 





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From: ontac-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontac-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of psp
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:26 AM
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When did these "good enough" ontologies become available?


Paul Prueitt

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