Paul, (01)
Please rest assured that your situation, agonizing and devastating as it
is to you, is a constant feature of humanity's intellectual endeavour.
Your own isolation and its personal consequences are repeats of many
cases during history. In general, there is indeed a heavy price to pay
for apparent divergence from the mainstream! (02)
As usual, there is no 100% right position in this affair. I have much
sympathy with you in your frustration at not being able to bring groups
such as this to appreciate or even see your point of view. I also have
much sympathy with some of your comments on architectural directions and
choices. (03)
But there is a challenge and a responsibility which every pioneer
shares, namely to sell his or her view in the marketplace of ideas. And
if your present target market proves not susceptible to your ideas or
the way you try to sell them, well, then you just have to work on
modifying your marketing strategy, and that may well involve better
conceiving your product too. (Rather off-subject, but worth saying
anyway: I wish all those terrorists out there would consider that
point!) (04)
I would suggest that, like me, you work on just lurking on lists such as
these, while you assiduously tune your own product and strategy, and
satisfy yourself - and others close to you - that there will in due
course be a more propitious moment and convergence of your own supply
with that great and presently so diffuse and even frustrated demand out
there. (05)
Not easy, especially in its short-term practicalites, but good luck!
With my best wishes, (06)
Christopher (07)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Azamat" <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Brand Niemann" <bniemann@xxxxxxx>; "ONTAC-WG General Discussion"
<ontac-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, 29 December, 2005 22:34
Subject: Re: [ontac-forum] Fw: with respects (08)
Brand wrote:
''I have made an effort to talk to Paul Prueitt and received his
negative
response (see below). As I result, and since I am the responsible
Federal
government official...'' (09)
Brand,
Please stop tensing up the New Year's atmosphere with the inflammatory
remarks. This is not a government disciplinary commission but a
scientific
forum for open discussion of ontological issues, and as a member, you
are
supposed to contribute your knowledge and intelligence instead of
official
power, if any. (010)
Allow me to remind to other parties involved in the row that
intellectuals
are formally belong to the elite group of persons occupying the most
trusted
position in the social hierarchy (see the ontology of social classes).
Then
we have to behave accordingly. (011)
Wish for all mutual respect and longanimity in the upcoming New Year (012)
Azamat Abdoullaev
EIS Encyclopedic Intelligent Systems Ltd (013)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brand Niemann" <bniemann@xxxxxxx>
To: "ONTAC-WG General Discussion" <ontac-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Semantic Interoperability Community of Practice"
<sicop-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:15 PM
Subject: [ontac-forum] Fw: with respects (014)
> ONTAC FORUM,
>
> I have made an effort to talk to Paul Prueitt and received his
> negative
> response (see below). As I result, and since I am the responsible
> Federal
> government official, I am taking the following actions, and ask for
> your
> support, because in my role I cannot overlook or fail to respond to an
> email
> that mentions suicide, threats of law suits, etc.for the safety and
> welfare
> of all concerned:
>
> 1. I am asking Paul Prueitt to not send anymore emails to this or
> related
> Collaborative Wiki Forums. His rights to post will be terminiated.
>
> 2. I am asking members of this and related Wiki email Forums to not
> respond
> to any more emails from Paul Prueitt not matter what the content. We
> cannot
> be part of anymore correspondence that would further inflame the
> situation.
> Should your receive any further correspondence directly from Paul
> Prueitt
> that raises concerns please forwarded them to me because we have
> proceedures
> in place for dealing with this type of situation.
>
> 3. I am requesting the counsel and intervention of mental health
> professionals in this situation as required of me.
>
> Thank you for your support in this matter,
>
> Brand Niemann
> SICoP Chair
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul S Prueitt
> To: 'Brand Niemann'
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:25 AM
> Subject: with respects
>
>
> I could see why others might see the philosophy that John was
> continuing
> to
> talk about as not being relevant, but the distinction that Patrick
> made
> regarding what the forum was to talk about seemed to be designed to
> remove
> me from the forum - because the issues that I raised were issues that
> he
> (and several others),,
>
>
>
> Never mind.
>
>
>
> The unfairness of this whole thing is simply beyond belief.
>
>
>
> I am not interested in talking any further, the apology to the group -
> but
> not to me was posted.
>
>
>
> Brand, there is no need to talk on the phone.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
>
> From: Brand Niemann [mailto:bniemann@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 3:34 AM
> To: Paul S Prueitt; cmenzel@xxxxxxxx
> Cc: pcassidy@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: with respects I ask that slanderous messages be removed
> from
> the ONTAC forum
>
>
>
> Paul, I am very concerned about your message and want to contact you.
> Are
> you in Taos, New Mexico, or Northern Virginia and is there a phone
> number
> where you can be reached?
>
>
>
> Thank you, Brand
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Paul S Prueitt
>
> To: cmenzel@xxxxxxxx
>
> Cc: pcassidy@xxxxxxxxx
>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 6:29 PM
>
> Subject: with respects I ask that slanderous messages be removed from
> the
> ONTAC forum
>
>
>
> I might have missed this, but your nice note about me was not posted
> to
> the ONTAC forum. What is posted are two very slanderous notes that
> you
> made
> in your anger about my mistaken reference to your first name .
>
>
>
> These two notes and several slanderous notes by Patrick are still
> present
> in the forum archives.
>
>
>
> Chris, I simply mistook your name for someone else who does have a
> resume
> with the G14 - G15 remark.
>
>
>
> Furthermore, you know also that the GSA groups that Susan Turnbull
> and
> Brand Niemann work with have many business consultants whose behavior
> is
> nicely characterized by self promotion. It is just part of the
> reality of
> IT procurement.
>
>
>
> I should not make comments about this reality, because of the types
> of
> defensiveness that occurs.
>
>
>
>
>
> There has been a specific consequence to the treatment I received
> from
> Patrick and your notes. I understand because of our private
> communications
> since then that you did not mean me harm. You did not really know me
> nor
> I
> you.
>
>
>
> However, it is unfortunate that harm has occurred. I have indicated
> that
> I do not hold you liable for this harm as it was not your intent to
> really
> harm me. You were just flaming.
>
>
>
> One of the executives of a firm that had negotiated a 48,000 contract
> for
> my services was lurking on this forum, and has taken my treatment as
> an
> indication. Those who wanted my services were told that I would not
> be
> retained because I did not have the support of those people in power..
> (this they infer from the treatment that was handed out by Patrick).
>
>
>
> I am away from my main computer where I remember receiving a note
> from
> you, Chris, to the forum indicating that you were sorry for the
> flaming
> messages that were posted by the moderator.
>
>
>
> The moderator, Patrick, took responsibility for banning my
> communications
> and this also has contributed to a sense that I was not someone who
> the
> company should be involved with.
>
>
>
> I saw his efforts to ban my communications very early in the current
> discussion as being an abuse of his power as moderator.
>
>
>
> In his Nov 21 posting he said
>
>
>
> " (1) there is no possibility of silencing him. He has for years
> posted
> the same material to any number of different listservers, where his
> comments are as irrelevant to them as they are to our efforts. Every
> listserver has a purpose and people who use listservers to push their
> opinions on people who don't want to hear them are not performing any
> constructive purpose
>
>
> Which I took as being professional slanderous and libel. But I
> wanted to
> have a technical discussion about upper and ocre ontology to see where
> John
> Sowa and the others in this type o
> .
> orum are at, if anywhere.
>
>
>
> The loss of the contract means also a final straw in my hoped for
> repair
> of economic losses around the struggle to deal with the situation with
> the
> behaviors that I am not supposed to talk about. This is really
> meaning a
> dissolving of my marriage, and perhaps leading to my taking of my own
> life.
> I think a lot about this nowdays as my wife's loss in confidence about
> my
> ability to earn a living was unexpected and is devastating .
>
>
>
>
>
> I do not know if this is what will happen, my life has been dedicated
> to
> a
> mission; which can be so terribly treated without any sense of balance
> or
> respect. We live in a time in which many feel betrayed by the degree
> of
> what-ever where rationality and normalcy seems missing. What is there
> to
> live for?
>
>
>
> I again ask that the two posts that Chris posted in anger be removed
> and
> that his posting of am apology be allowed to be posted (as was
> indicated
> in
> Chris's post to the forum that was not posted).
>
>
>
> Failure to do this may result in a law suit, by myself or someone
> else.
>
>
>
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