Yes in fact this is the FDCE project.. i.e. General Croom's "sandbox"... The
excerpts I shared were from the draft plan.... (01)
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1. a dating service for folks with problems to solve to find folks with
cool
ideas; (03)
- "A Community of Interest?" (04)
2. A convenient playground for experimenting, where it's possible to
fail fast and cheap.and try again fast and cheap; (05)
- "A Sandbox?" (06)
3. A referee who keeps the focus on demonstrable improvement, and keeps
track of best practice; (07)
- "A Paying Customer?" (08)
4. A shopping center where the successful results can be evaluated and
consumed. (09)
- "A collaborative archive of source code accessable to the Community of
Interest regardless of authorship?" (010)
Sounds like DISA's Federated Development and Certification Environment
(FDCE)? (011)
Your points mirror Sue Payton's, Deputy Under Secretary of Defense
(AS&C) "Open Technology Development Roadmap Plan" points (see attached).
These issues will be addressed in open forum on September 14
www.afei.org (012)
You've layed foundational requirement for distributed, collaborative
software design, develoment, test, documentation, deployment and
support. Brian Belendorf, founder Apache Foundation will adress
Communities of Interest, Sandboxes, Customers and a share source code
archive at the www.afei.org Setember 14th conference in Crystal City. (013)
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From: "Chris Gunderson" <chris.gunderson@xxxxxxxxx>
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Ajit, I'm not sure I understand all your nuance, but it seems we agree
on
much. However, I've lost my taste for technology roadmaps. "Where
we're
going we don't need maps!" I think the result of this exercise should
be
1. a dating service for folks with problems to solve to find folks with
cool
ideas; 2. A convenient playground for experimenting, where it's possible
to
fail fast and cheap.and try again fast and cheap; 3. A referee who keeps
the
focus on demonstrable improvement, and keeps track of best practice; 4.
A
shopping center where the successful results can be evaluated and
consumed. (025)
Best, chris (026)
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Chris, (029)
Thanks for sharing your work. I must say I agree with you in so much as
it
addresses the necessary technology conditions that must be met to have a
SOA
paradigm, but the sufficiency has largely been ignored (may be based on
assumption that people and process based practices will follow). (030)
I have been quite intrigued by the "SOA Buzz" industry wide but am
concerned
by the lack of understanding of the architecture (if viewed only from a
technology viewpoint). The best practices should be addressed
fundamentally
from the view point of standard processes, people/organizational culture
(a
basic propensity to hinder change)and then overlay the technical layer
on
it. Also even on the technology front the standards are still in flux
and
the best efforts to integrate higher layer of the SOA protocol stack
must
rely on the WS Interoperability forum. Vendors are selling point
solutions
for the higher layer protocols and we will end up creating EAI
equivalent of
the SOA integration problem. Where will the values be in terms of
reusability, etc. I believe the DoD and Government in general as part of
the
GIG/NC initiative must take the lead in coalescing multiple standards on
all
the fronts of people, process, and technology so as to start talking
about
best practices building blocks. (031)
I look forward to other comments and potential recommendations. The
result
of this exercise should be, in my opinion, a roadmap from current SOA
platform to the desired state with People, process and technologies
roadmap
defined in an evolutionary and standards way. (032)
regards, (033)
ajit kapoor (034)
Lockheed Martin (035)
EIS/CTO (036)
(retiring October 1, 2006) (037)
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From: Chris <mailto:chris.gunderson@xxxxxxxxx> Gunderson (039)
To: 'Service-Oriented <mailto:soa-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Architecture
CoP' (040)
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Subject: RE: [soa-forum] Question/Issue for the SOA CoP (042)
Brand, I'm working on a project sponsored by DISA Joint Interoperability
Test Command. A key component is the need to develop appropriate SOA
implementation and validation and verification guidance. The idea is to
provide a useful service to GIG software developers that encourages
re-use
of best practices and code. (043)
The attached is a work in progress. (044)
So..1. We have a mandate to do this work. 2. We have no
"not-invented-here" issues. 3. We want to port as many industrial best
practices as possible. 4. We're on a fast track. (045)
We welcome any and all help from the SOA Forum. The attached is very
much a
work in progress with no pride of authorship. (046)
Best, Chris (047)
Chris Gunderson (048)
Research Associate Professor of Information Science (049)
Naval Postgraduate School (050)
Principal Investigator, W2COG and Netcentric Certification Office
Initiatives (051)
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I have been asked about the ownership/governance issue and whether any
best
practices exist for SOA. We covered governance in the First SOA
Conference
for E-Government, but I don't recall specifically ownership being
discussed.
Any suggestions, references, etc. would be appreciated. (056)
Thanks, Brand (057)
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