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From: "Gary Berg-Cross" <gary.berg-cross@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:57:28 -0400
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Denise B and Denise W


Yes, I understand that the ISO 11179 is sufficiently “open” (or as you (DB) said, vague) regarding what it refers to as classification to allow you to apply it to different kinds of structures. 


As you (DB) said “  Our combined set of master data stores begins to resemble our ontology when they are applied.  “


While the openness has some good aspects it can mean that people will come up with different data objects within which the data elements exist and different data classifications to organize the data objects.  The approach, which also include “subject areas”  seems to me like a weak ontology and thus creation of a good, general ontology is needed. This is what has been discussed in the context of the DRM which builds on 11179 with the object, classification, subject area hierarchy.   


So I agree with your statement that,   “We believe that the ISO 11179 standard

could benefit from further elaboration of taxonomic structures, specifically

rings, hierarchies, faceted, network and flat.”


I think that many might also want to agree with your statement

“If ISO 11179 were further developed, it would suffice for describing and managing ontologies. “


This is the type of bottom up approach I mentioned to Denis W that I was concerned with.   It’s not that it couldn’t be done, it’s just that I think it hides some of the harder issues we will face in building a good ontology.  So it may be an ingredient to our approach and something we can leverage, but we should not expect it to be an easy linear process.  One might worry that we are building silos of objects, classes and subject areas that we will later have to break down and organize thru ontological analysis.




Gary Berg-Cross


BMMP Data Strategy

Crystal City, VA

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